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#21 Tim Lowe

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 08:57 PM

Tim Lowe again.

I tried to add something to my post but couldn't so a second post I'm afraid:

To answer CaseyBell's points about 'never mind the guarantee' on the product price, what about the money you might lose, of course she is right, you can lose money gambling or indeed in any money making venture. There is plenty of risk in opening a sweetshop or starting a window cleaning round. I know lots of people who've had serious businesses and have gone bust - it happens when you take risks and you have to take some risks to get some returns. The bigger the return the bigger the risk.

If you don't want any risk then you are best advised getting a job with a large company and hoping they stay in business whilst you are working for them - you certainly should not try ANY money making venture, no matter how small because it will have costs and you may not get them back.

I like to think that there are few risks with Ternary and with the £1,000 of 'Free money' you really would have to be extremely inept to not make more than you put in. My view is that if you get your Free £1,000 and then trade it, if you lose £400 of it (I think this unlikely but of course possible) then you should stop and say to yourself that with buying the product you are actually at a break-even point on the whole deal and should stop there.

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 03:56 PM

Tim Lowe a third time.

My apologies, I forgot to deal with one other point which was the issue of return addresses.

I really cannot understand what MrC is talking about. I sent an initial promotion letter containing my office address and email address. The website has Matt's office address and my office address and a dedicated email address specifically for Ternary customers, this is all repeated on the order form.

The product itself has Matt's address on every component and on the covering letter.

And finally, as Ann says, I have a real office, the same address as the Ternary website, staffed by real people with real phones which get answered. This where I work, its not some hired in call center. The phone number is very easy to find, its on my main website and listed in about ten places on the internet.

If that is making it hard for MrC to find me or send something back to me then I cannot imagine what he expects (maybe he should have gone to Specsavers :rolleyes: )

As a matter of interest we run the fulfillment and marketing for one or two other companies as well so we have literally hundreds of parcels moving in and all the time, clearly most people have no trouble finding us, so I really don't think this is a valid point.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 11:56 AM

Thank you for visiting the forum, Tim Lowe, Your points are interesting, and should prove a good discussion point for people interested in your system.

It is always good to have the originator of a system make their point.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 04:07 PM

My husband is a little bit of a gambling man (mainly for fun) but he knows his stuff about it. I might ask him to take a look and give his views on this.

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 05:19 PM

I still wouldn't touch gambling. If it was true, and could {guarantee} winnings then the owner of the plan could sell it for a million $$'s.

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 05:27 PM

Yup, I received a letter in the post about this today from Tim Lowe himself. At least a 20 page letter showing all kinds of promises, and as is mentioned above, if it was a sure-fire thing, it could be sold for a LOT more money.
I threw the letter straight in the bin, actually I didn't remembering, I shredded it, and I suggest you do the same!

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:45 PM

Hi Casey Bell,

I'm currently reviewing this Ternary Trading System, on a 45 day, Tim Lowe trial. I have 33 days left, and I am feeling very happy with everything I have learned so far. At first it felt complex, complicated and difficult to get to grips with. But it is turning out to be a good learning curve for me and very simple, once one gets their head around it, for people that have never done any form of "Gambling", that is, but the fact of the matter is, to set the record straight!

IT IS NOT GAMBLING!!!

I am guaranteed to initially make £1k of profit during first 45 days, or sooner, without any risks, (I'm not using my own money, it is being provided by a very generous set of people, not usually known for their genorosity!) The second and final part, where I'll be able to make up to £10k a month, is more akin to what our bankers do, but our banks do not call it gambling, they call it Trading, which is what it is! This second part does involve an element of risk,if not properly followed.

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:47 PM

I'm prepared to wait for Ann's experiences of this system. At least she put her money where her mouth is. She posted on 18th March and said she received the system 'a few days' earlier, the 45 day free trial would end around the end of April. So we'll know something early May. I'm currently in debt but my stock market fund will mature round about that time and, if it proves successful, I'll give it a go.

Tim is right about stock market investment - you have to wait a long time. I put in 7000 6 months and I'm expecting to double my money in 8 months i.e. 2 months left. Tim's or rather Matt's system is promising to double your money every month!!! I can see why people are sceptical.

Tim's point about the casino owner is not gambling may be true because he/she is receiving the bets. But he admits that we have to open betting accounts before we can play the system. Why on earth would we have to open betting accounts if not to gamble? Since we don't own the betting shops, we're punters i.e. we're gambling.

Tim comes through as a smooth operator but does make contradicting statements that worry me. It's as if though he's cleverly pulling the wool over our eyes. Perhaps he's making the best of a bad situation - the system does look like gambling which everyone is wary of, the claims he and Matt are making sound outlandish, and he's wriggling out of the trial run proposed by the owner of this forum.

But, I'm prepared  to give him the benefit of the doubt and wait for Ann's experience.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:45 AM

Good posting, Pres.

View PostThePresWPM, on 28 March 2012 - 11:47 PM, said:

But, I'm prepared  to give him the benefit of the doubt and wait for Ann's experience.

One of the problems with that, is when 'punters' purchase such products, they can sometimes avoid broadcasting their negative experiences for fear of ridicule at opting to make the considerable investment in the first place, so I would be surprised if we see Ann's presence on the forum again. I feel her posting was more to justify in her own mind, that she did the right thing on purchasing the system.

I do admire Tim Lowe for making the posts on this thread, and for inviting such questions about a system, and sales process that he has obviously spent a great deal of money on promoting. I also received the mailshot today, and mailshots of that standard, and complexity, are not cheap to either produce, nor to mail to the potential end user.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, Tim is definitely aware of forums, and although this thread is in no way intended to be detrimental, it will be telling on the results achieved, which is why I am very tempted to try it myself, and if I do, you can guarantee that the exact results will be detailed; although I am limited on time, hence the lack of action.

Having been in this industry for a long time, I suspect, due the what I mention above about the cost of promotions, and the manner of the launch, that Tim is banking on a large return on this venture, which is why the results will HAVE to speak volumes.

It is definitely a unique, and interesting situation this. A high ticket service/product, from an experienced business-opportunity-type businessman, in a gambling arena, that is well known to produce failure.

Please excuse me. I see that Ann came back to the thread today - Apologies.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:51 AM

It would be nice if Ann, could relay her results, so everyone can see.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:13 PM

I feel I can't reveal too much at this stage, for copyright infringement reasons, only that the first part of this course that is guaranteed for 45 days, produces exactly as stated!

Someone on this site needs to watch the two and a half hour DVD video that comes with the course, to appreciate what is on offer. Then the next stage would be to study the example spread sheets that are included, to fully appreciate it. Then finally the study of the manuals.

It would be seen that this has all been carefully crafted mathematically, by Tim Lowe's colleague Matt, who would appear to be a brilliant mathmatician!
This is not gambling!

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:35 PM

Thank you for the update, Ann.

Have you actually started trading yet? And if so, can you divulge any results please.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:39 PM

Yes I have, but I will only make up to £1k for this guaranteed part of the course.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:47 PM

Ann, are you using bookmakers to place amounts of money on potential results of an outcome?

Forgive me, but if that is the case, then it has to be gambling, surely?

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:52 PM

It is most definitely gambling. If bookies are involved, and you are making bets then of course it is gambling.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:10 PM

There is a very major difference between gambling which the dictionary says this about:

a. To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.

b. To play a game of chance for stakes.

and which most people would accept we are not doing and being involved in gambling which is what bookmakers and Casinos do very profitably.

We take opposing sides of the same bet, which is called trading. This is a statistical approach meaning that, as I've said before, IF the maths are correct then it is impossible to lose in the long term. Thus this is not betting on an uncertain outcome or playing a game of chance.

If you don't accept this then you will also be of the view that professional institutions trading on the stockmarkets are gambling in which case you are taking the widest possible interpretation of a word to make it fit an argument and there is nothing sane I or anybody else can say to change your mind!

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:11 PM

Casey,

Gambling, or not, though. What people would like to know, is if the system works. There are people who make money from gambling, no doubt, but you can appreciate that some people may be skeptical, it is a natural human response, due to the fact that many people have also lost their shirts in gambling, and trading.

Tim Lowe is no fool. He knows that his head would be for the virtual chop, should this not come off, but of course there are also many variables that a salesman will build into such a launch, and usually, one variable is that not everybody will succeed.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:25 PM

Admin yes lots of people do lose their money when gambling as you say. A few years ago arbitrage betting was all the rage in the US, and the concept sounded fantastic, with different bookies offering differing odds, but when the theory was put to reality, the opportunities were very slim. My partner purchased a manual on the subject. I suspect that this is similar to arbitrage betting. Tim Lowe, if your system is guaranteed to produce a profit, then surely it could be sold for ten's of thousands of dollars, millions even. The whole financial world would be taking an interest in it, and so would anyboy who wanted to earn extra money.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:26 PM

I agree with teh Admin and have made it very clear that people MUST stick precisely to the rules. If they do, in the long term they must succeed. However I know that some people will carry out 4 trades, not be rich and moan about it.

This, like any trading system, needs consistent and diligent effort.

I can tell you that I have had a few emails from people asking if their results are acceptable. I am NOT talking about the £1,000 free money here but the next stage which is actual trading. Broadly they have obtained about 10% to 22% profit on their bank in two weeks so it is very early and nobody has done anywhere near enough trades to say categorically one way or the other. Equally they are not doing enough trades per week anyway, roughly 10 per week. Matt did 1,500 test trades and this is where the figures are derived from. Internally we have somebody running about 7 trades a day and matching Matt's test results.

Based on that we would expect an average of 3% profit per day BUT, I say again, BUT, there will be losing days and winning days, like a fruit machine pays out sometimes but wins overall, so you cannot expect 3% everyday, much better to look at several months of results before judging, either way.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:33 PM

Casey

The problem with your argument is conatined in your argument!

YOU won't buy the system because you don't believe what we say and of course many if not most people are sceptical so they will agree with you, which limits what I can achieve to rather less than millions. However, would me putting the price up make you believe the claims more??? Oddly, it probably would as price has a huge effect on what we consider to be the likely value of something.

There are many ways to ensure you make money, banks and financial institutions do it all the time. As do Bookmakers and the like, its is in fact quite simple maths to arrange things so that you cannot lose. By the way, arbitrage is indeed one way which of course works, but as you say there were not many opportunities but it does work and that manual your partner bought wasn't sold for millions either.

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